Hi-Viz, dumb drivers and other construction site mishaps: Safety Tales Podcast Episode 20

Intro Speaker:

Dave & Bacon's Safety Tales. The only industrial safety podcast that brings you common sense advice on job site safety, standards, regulations, and industry best practices without putting you to sleep.

Fred:

All right, we're back again. Welcome to Dave & Bacon's Safety Tales. We're bringing you the real, unfiltered safety advice for everything you do at work. I know you've been anxiously waiting for us to return-

Dave:

You should probably try to be safe at home, too, because there's a lot of stuff that goes on at home, too.

Fred:

That's factual. Maybe take a pair of safety glasses home with you. Some ear plugs-

Dave:

Yeah. Probably wouldn't hurt.

Fred:

For when you're out there hacking down a tree.

Dave:

Yeah. I don't think they'll get too bent out of shape if you take a pair of safety glasses and try to keep your eyesight, because most people need that for their job.

Fred:

Once again, Fred Radunzel and Dave White for Quad City Safety. You can definitely reach out to us on all of our social media platforms, so if you guys got questions or comments, or anything productive to talk about ... Or non-productive to talk about, you can definitely reach out to us there.

So this week, we're switching gears. The Class is in session. Class 1, 2, 3. High visibility is what we're talking about.

Dave:

Can be pretty boring but there is something to it.

Fred:

Better weather is around the corner. As we record, we still find snow. It's the Winter that will not ever end.

Dave:

It’s the 16th of April and there's snow on the ground. I've lived in Iowa for 23 years and the latest I remember is the 19th.

Fred:

Of April?

Dave:

Seeing it snow and I don't remember it actually being on the ground I remember it like snow and going holy crap it’s snowing and its April. So this is on the ground.

Fred:

I was thinking earlier I played tennis in high school. I know you were a netter too...did they call you a cager? Nope that's basketball, anyways. So I played tennis and I was thinking we were about halfway through the season if I remember at this point.

Dave:

We would have had to have already

Fred:

I feel like the season ended in... State was in the middle of May. So regular season would have ended at the start of May.

Dave:

It would of had to.

Fred:

So you got to be in the middle of season. So what do you do in track and field trying to run out hurdles in six inches of snow.

Dave:

Yeah our tennis coach was Mr. Cope. He was like 400 pounds so he would basically pull up and roll down his window and throw like three or four sleeves of tennis balls out into the grass and we'd...so that's how good our coach was.

Fred:

Quality.

Dave:

Not real good tennis coaches in Kentucky.

Fred:

There's not a ton in Iowa either. Usually the tennis coach is like, yeah I'll do it for like six, seven weeks and I can get paid this all right. Well I also do golf in the fall but we'll do tennis in the spring.

So were trying to figure out our workers in the right hi-viz gear. And can equipment operators and motorists see them. So it got me kind of thinking. Who's the most visible person at every single carnival or sometimes at 4th of July or circus or nighttime events. It’s that big head that comes around that has the flashing lights on that's go the cowboy hat with the LED lights that are circling around him with glow sticks in his hand.

Dave:

Has one in his mouth.

Fred:

Yup on in his mouth. Like he's wearing some big goofy shirt dressed up as Uncle Sam like Apollo Creed in Rocky IV before he gets killed by the Russian. He comes out and is doing the whole rotating his hands and stuff like that. Usually they got a fan with an LED that squirts water that costs you $15 and your kids will pull on your pants to be able to grab that.

So visibility is important. You notice that guy, there's a reason that he dressers like that when he comes rocking through on 4th of July.

Dave:

ANSI 107 is saying that what it’s there for and when you still look at it there's still a ton of people getting struck by and ANSI 107 really was meant to take into account that there's traffic moving around perfect and its usually always was in a road system. But more often than not, people getting backed over, run over with equipment is still in a regular construction area.

So despite the fact, that despite the fact you may think you only need it in an area where you are working on roads, that's not necessarily the case. I mean, anywhere where you have that equipment that's moving around person. Then by all means, definitely need people to maintain visibility and 107 again has those Classes. ANSI 107's changed in the most recent release that did some different things that made a lot of sense. But a lot of it was as it stands now. Kind of your Class 2, a Class 1 is kind of like what you see most of the kids at grocery store pushing all the carts around.

Fred:

Safety patrol.

Dave:

Yeah, something like that. Where it’s not, where it doesn't actually have any retro-reflective tape on it. It’s just typically a yellow vest. So when you get to Class 2 basically again, under 107 there's so many square inches of material that you have to have an then so many square inches of tape and the tape has to go 360 degrees around. And the problem with that became, you couldn't find a size small or extra small vest because to hit that requirement.

So now one of the current revisions with 107 that kind of bleeds in that you can have a small or extra small vest. That you don't have this kid weighing 120 pounds that has a four x vest on him floating in the wind.

Fred:

So is there something to there then, that you have to have more reflective material on a smaller vest? Or is that not necessary.

Dave:

There's just a guideline that says basically in those size small you can go below what was the original kind of...and who knows who came up with the how many square inches of it. But that's the rules or whatever.

Fred:

Okay. So where you kind of mentioned it started mostly for motorists. Guys that are out on the highway and stuff like that. I think distracted driving is becoming even more.

Dave:

Well, there's actually some people that sit there and say that it's despite the fact that you maintain visibility there's a rule. There's a thought out there that it may make it more dangerous because people tend to drive towards what they see. It’s just a natural reaction.

Fred:

It turns you into a target.

Dave:

As you look at it. You are going to drive toward what you think that you see. I don't know how really that is obviously it's not big enough, that there's going to pull everyone out and just have them standing there in something that you can't see. But you know, you got your Class 2 then you got your Class 3.

And it's proximity to traffic. But the next thing is how fast are they going. So in Class 3 you want to be more highly visible because people, the rates of people are at they need to see you farther away. And Class 3 also has a thought process of I don't want you to look like a barrel. So your Class three devices will have a sleeve. Versus Class 2 there's usually not a sleeve. Sleeves and reflective tape on the sleeves. So you could have a Class 2 sweatshirt but Class 3 sweatshirt would also have that retro-reflective material on the sleeves also.

Fred:

Okay, or in some cases I think you can get by with a Class 2 vest but then add something to the legs. Like a pant could be reflective or add like a leg gaiter.

Dave:

Yeah, you can leg gaiters. I think they refer to them as a stare easy E device. So in ANSI 107 there's a list of stuff in Series E would complement a Class 2 vest that would complement to get to a Class 3 visibility.

Fred:

I like those guys that are out on muscle beach sometimes. You drive by the construction sites who like to wear their vest with no shirt on underneath. That's there, they can get the Hulk Hogan broad arms.

Dave:

They look weathered. They need some moisturizer.

Fred:

I don't know if you saw there's some photos that came out of Hulk Hogan recently. He's just pure brown, it looks like he's almost covered in shoe polish he's so dark these days. He's got the muscle that's not again too well. I'll show you. I'll get on Google after this and show you.

Dave:

Yeah, he's always gone after that whole look. Him and Rick Flair. Where they just...

Fred:

The contrast with the white hair.

Dave:

The almost unhealthy kind of look to it. Is that because of the sun or is that because of the steroids?

Fred:

Yeah, you never know. Or, we got in 2015 is when I have this stat from but it says 96,000 crashes in work zones and 130 worker fatalities on road construction sites. That was just in one year alone. So I'd rather be seen.

Dave:

And again, those statistics don't roll into I'm pushing dirt, not on a road system and back over somebody. It could be mining, it could be rail, it could be a number of different places that aren't highway type statistics.

Fred:

Farm, I'm sure.

Dave:

Absolutely.

Fred:

That's a major...

Dave:

And there's things in the standard its going to continue to... someday I sit there and I'm like, is everybody just going to be walking around in hi-viz lime or orange type gear. And it'd be interesting to see that. And I guess where my head was going with that is, under CSA and they use it a lot in rail. The backs will have an X on it. And that whole thought process is, if I see an X I can tell that that guy cannot see me.

Fred:

Yeah.

Dave:

Because his back is turned to me. That kind of stuff makes a lot of logical sense to me. But it’s not in the newest standard, but we're starting to sell more and more of them. People are starting to pay attention to that.

Fred:

Right, I think that's where that company that we worked with a little bit with viz reflective. They have some of the light up stuff too, I wonder if that will become...

Dave:

I call that 2.0. So it's when you talk about hi-viz clothing its centered around a light source. So you either have sun light to where you can see the lime. Or you got to have like headlights on a car or vehicle that shine out and then bounce off that retro-reflective. But the viz reflective in no and low light situation maybe there's not a light source that's not going to illuminate it. It maintains visibility through the phosphorate compound in it that kind of glows in the dark.

Fred:

Yeah, very once in a while you'll see a creeper out there...or I don't know what you call it back in Kentucky. But at my high school it was always called a pediddle. A pediddle was when you had one headlight so one headlight is burned out and one headlight is there, and it was a pediddle. And some guys would hit the roof and then the last person to hit the roof gets punched when someone calls out a pediddle. What did you call it when there was one headlight on a car, nothing? No one ever called anything out? Some guys driving at you with one headlight, it’s called a pediddle.

Dave:

No. Never. You were always scared you were going to hit 'em because you thought it was a motorcycle.

Fred:

Right.

Dave:

But no, we did not have this pediddle of which you speak of. So that's an actual legitimate thing?

Fred:

That is what it was called. I didn't invent it. I'm not claiming to be the guy that put it on urban dictionary.

Dave:

But it could just be like a whole Clinton thing or something right?

Fred:

Yeah, it could be a Midwest Iowa sort of thing that started around here, I don't know. Pediddle, yeah. Another thing..

Dave:

Another thing we'll have to Google.

Fred:

All right, so not all hi-viz apparel is created equal. What you wear, you mentioned the x on the back

Dave:

It’s transformed for your rain wear, and now you're seeing rain wear in Class 2 and Class 3. Which makes a lot of sense. You're seeing a lot, if you're around hot work you can see stuff...that's one of the funny things we always get asked about. We need a hi-viz, Class 2 but I want it in cotton. And that really does not hardly exist. And after doing some research, and it just kept coming up. I'm finally like, why the hell is there not... well when you take 100% cotton garment and you put the lime yellow into it. There's a hot process it has to go through so many laundering and after you launder it. I don't know exactly how they measure the brightness of it, but the yellow still has to be so bright. Not like Joe Dirt the construction worker who has an alleged hi-viz vest and you look at it and you're like man, that's missing half the stripes it looks like he may have used it to clean something off. You can't even see it anymore.

Fred:

And were going to get into that in our dumbass of the week.

Dave:

Okay.

Fred:

So be easy. Don't bury the lead on that one.

Dave:

I'm sorry.

Fred:

It’s all good.

Dave:

I digress. So there's different, I've seen some where they're impregnating it with an insecticide so it’s got bug spray into the fiber. And ones that allegedly filter out more sunlight. So it’s kind of like a sun barrier also. Then you got breathability on it. Is it a birdseye mesh or is it a solid. And like we said.

Fred:

A moisture wicking material.

Dave:

Is it FR or not FR. Then there's even stupid caveats like certain parts of the country they'll use orange versus lime based on bee attacks. Certain cuts certain colors insects ill want to attack.

Fred:

Oh really?

Dave:

Yeah, so when you go down South, there are some differences there.

Fred:

I know railroad uses orange.

Dave:

Yup. Railroad uses orange.

Fred:

Seems like medics and EMS uses red.

Dave:

Well in that whole standard there's different cuts of garments so that a law enforcement guy need to be able to get at your gat so the way you can do that. That one can be cut up a bit more. So that you can access your weapon or whatever cuffs or Taser or whatever they're going after. But the traditional vest was so long that it inhibited what they were trying to do.

Fred:

And then you can kind of get into, especially in a vest you start talking pockets and enclosures. And then the pockets you still have to have enough striping to cover so where is the striping.

Dave:

Does is have [inaudible 00:16:57] does it have a badge holder.

Fred:

Somewhere to hold your tablet. That you have on there or your notebook, or pens or tools.

Dave:

What was funny. We had sold surveyors vest for a couple years before I found out that they're actually for surveyors. There will be little grommets where they pull their marking tape out of when they are wrapping it around stuff. So that's a surveyors.

Fred:

How bought orange. Not necessarily the color orange but some of the vests the striping has orange on it, so if it’s a yellow vest, then the striping got orange on it. There’s different states that require…

Dave:

Dual contrast like that.

Fred:

So that's probably something that's more of a regulation for DOT for that specific state. I think Iowa it’s okay to have silver and Illinois there's supposed to be orange around the silver. So I'm sure state to state is different.

Dave:

Everybody's got a little different flavor.

Fred:

One other thing that comes up, logoing. So when you put a logo on a vest you can't really put, or NASCAR up the vest.

Dave:

Theoretically you shouldn't because again it gets back into there's so many square inches of the background material that you have to maintain. So if you put a Motley Crue back patch on there. You remember back in the day when you had the blue jean jacket and literally that whole back, now you can't really do that. It's frowned upon.

Fred:

That's what, I had a customer who wanted me to put six different logos on a t-shirt. Six different logos it was like three or four they belong to this association and then this is their partner and they wanted the American flag and then their logo was on the back, and then safety first was on the front. They got to the point where I was to the point we got to be real careful here at what we're looking at.

How about closures? Some companies, it has to be a tear away vest.

Dave:

It can be a five point tear away. A lot of time where that comes in is do you have something you can get caught in. Where it’s going to pull you in the Classics wood chipper.

Fred:

It has to be able to tear off.

Dave:

To where, yeah, so when it goes. It will be a five point. So it will breakaway multiple different places. Shoulder, sides, front. So if it, it'd be kind of fun to have that on a job site because can you imagine just walking up to your buddy and just…

Fred:

Ripping that right off.

Dave:

Just taking him right out of his vest.

Fred:

It’s always like in basketball. Someone would be wearing tear away pants. You come up right behind them and just rip them right off and they are in their whitey tighties.

Dave:

Yup, got to love that stuff. I would, the configurations, its nuts anymore. So I would say everything drives the cost. Do you want an opening for a D-ring in the back .So if you are wearing fall protection you can have that pass through for your D-ring. I mean, there's any infinite…

Fred:

Piping can be different colors.

Dave:

Yeah, kitchco does a nice job of. There's the tape then they'll take the tape around the vest and you really can't tell until you go and they show you in the dark and they put a flashlight on it and you're like oh I kind of get it right now. Now it kind of looks like a person standing there versus, what the hell was that.

Fred:

Well there is another difference though, is the differences in tapes. So each tape reacts differently.

Dave:

The industry standard is, 3M has a thing called scotch light. But it's all just a bead that again when it gets light it reflects out and it reflects out a lot of times brighter than when it comes in. So it kind of has a prismatic effect.

Fred:

So here’s a question for you. Do you call it yellow or green. Hi-viz color.

Dave:

That's one thing.

Fred:

I'm curious that's my thought. I know it can be yellow green, it can be hi-viz.

Dave:

I call it lime.

Fred:

You call it lime. Some of them look more yellow than lime. So its differences, that's amazing how many people look at the same color. It’s like that thing that went viral a couple years ago, what color is this dress, is it white or gray or wherever that color was. Do you remember that? No, it’s, you're drawing blanks, you're looking at me. It’s like different people could look at the same picture and think it was a different color depending on how your eyes focused depending on what item you were looking at.

Dave:

Oh there's no doubt.

Fred:

So our team kind of shared this story with us. So I wanted to pass it along. There's a story about these guys in Australia. That wanted to see how far they could get by just wearing a safety vest around. If you put on a safety vest everybody thinks you're official. So they just walked right into the zoo and went around, didn't have to pay or anything like that. Nobody stops you, because you just walk in with a vest on. Movie theater, just walked right past the guys in the movie theater and go right into a movie and just watch the movie wearing a vest.

Dave:

The only thing that I can see making that more legit is if in block letters on the back it said security.

Fred:

Or staff. You could do that.

Dave:

Staff of what?

Fred:

They did a Coldplay concert .Supposedly they went to the first one and they got turned away at a Coldplay concert. They just went to a different entrance and walked right in and were able to watch the concert. Go around didn't have to pay for anything. You do look legit when you're wearing a vest. So do not be offended.

Dave:

Well nobody would typically just on purpose unless...

Fred:

Unless you're trying to make something [inaudible 00:22:46].

Dave:

There's probably some kind of phobia of getting hit where maybe people just want to wear hi-viz all the time.

Fred:

Should be.

Dave:

Sleep in hi- viz. 

Fred:

Just add a bar or something like that. You see the guy that comes in from his days work [inaudible 00:23:03] wearing his high vis. And so that guy, we'll bring you to dumb ass of the week...look at that segue.

Announcer:

It's the dumbass of the week.

Fred:

Dumbass of the week here is the guy and I don't even know the guy’s name. But I've seen him a million times. So, he wears a safety vest usually from the late 1990s, he's had it since he's worked for the company for 20 years. He's had the same vest. It’s over the top of his Nirvana starter kit, flannel shirt and his ripped jeans. He's got that going, he's head banging with his Sony Walkman on. He's got the whole routine down. His vest covered in dirt. The striping’s all cracked. It could barely be Classified as yellow anymore. It's hi-viz so the striping kind of there for a reason.

So that was kind of what you started getting into earlier. Was…

Dave:

Well it’s amazing how many times that you see those. And it’s kind of like why are you even bothering.

Fred:

Because it’s some people will think though that this is my hi-viz vest. So I'm still wearing a hi-viz vest and not realizing there's only so many washings the sun will start to damage. You lose that if your striping starts cracking or starts peeling off. Throw it away, get another one.

Dave:

Go get another one of those $6 vests and it can't be any more comfortable, its go to stink. Cause I mean, I don't know of a lot of people that launder then I mean.

Fred:

I don't know anyone.

Dave:

I mean they're supposed to be laundered.

Fred:

You can wash them 25 times and some are 50 times or whatever it is.

Dave:

You're supposed to be able to wash them. I don't…

Fred:

I've never had to wear one. 

Dave:

I don't know how many people would actually do that. And let me throw out while were talking about that. There's now ERB has one that's called girl power. So its cut for a woman, so it’s got an hourglass shapely figure. Women don't want to walk around in just…

Fred:

Just a cardboard box, like a robot costume. Pretty much.

Dave:

Yeah.

Fred:

So the reason this guy is the dumbass of the week is because… I guess that's it. It's an ignorance thing. I guess it’s the same guy that's wearing the hard hat that's all beat up.

Dave:

It's ignorance but it's also a complacency. Some, not thinking through it, not thinking through it. A complacent, I've done it so I'm going to keep doing it. Instead of…

Fred:

I like this one, it’s my lucky vest. It could be. But if you work with that guy, or you're that guys boss or you're the safety person that's over whoever this person is. That's an easy one to notice and to point out and say get a new vest.

Dave:

It gets into see something say something. I mean, we keep talking about that. And most epic safety fails somebody's standing around went, hmm. I don't know if we should do that. And somebody didn't say anything and you're starting to see more sites that are having that stop work. Anybody sees something wrong somebody says something the whole job site. And lets file, I mean the bean counter financial people are going to go no, no, no don't stop do you know how much that costs. Well it also costs a lot if you…

Fred:

If somebody gets hurt.

Dave:

Gets hurt, killed.

Fred:

I don't know how often you drive by, someone doing road construction or someone on the side and their vest is just covered in dirt. You can't even… it’s not reflecting anything any longer. So it’s a disaster. Throw it away get a new one, dumb ass.

Anyways, let’s move on to our Q&A for the week. Number 1. What is the advantage of a six point versus a four point versus and eight point versus 100 point suspension hard hat?

Dave:

Realistically, not much. There's no different especially in like a type one. l I guess there things out there saying where a type two there can be a side impact. Most hard hats are a type one that you see out there which means that they are tested out there for something to strike the top of...not like a side force like something swinging in from the side. It's meant for a glancing blow from the top.

Fred:

Right.

Dave:

So there's realistically nothing given there because the energy is going to be dispersed through the suspension into the head and neck anyways. So there's real no magical physics experiment but one could argue if it was a side. The was that the suspension may fit may be better but realistically there's no difference. It’s more of a…

Fred:

Comfort, thing maybe.

Dave:

Yeah, it’s more of a comfort. Cause every suspension is different. Find a suspension you like and wear that one. Because hard hats, all day? That's not a fun thing to wear.

Fred:

I don't like to put one on even going to like a job site. It messes up my hair, it's a disaster.

Dave:

You get that Fredrick lettuce.

Fred:

Get that coif.

Dave:

All just messed up versus. I just don't like man you coming off.

Fred:

Look like Peyton Manning. Got that forehead.

Dave:

Yeah you just got the whole and really if you're putting it on, then you got to tighten it down. You've almost got a headache from it.

Fred:

2. Can we use qualitative fit testing for a full face respirator? This is one that I was incorrect on.

Dave:

You can do whatever you want or you can do what the standards say. And basically where it gets to is a qualitative fit test is kind of just what it says. It’s kind of qualitative it’s not quantitative it doesn't go in there and really check the real math.

Fred:

It’s not computing numbers.

Dave:

So when you're trying to measure particles when you doing that. So again when you're in a full face respirator you've got an APF that's higher. So five times higher than just a regular tight fitting face piece. A regular dust miss respirator which has an APF of 10. You got significantly higher. So basically when you go to the standards OSHA points to the fact that you would need to do a quantitative fit test on anything that is higher than an APF of 10. And again, just to reiterate, you're going into something that is a lot bad, a lot worse for you. A higher concentration, so need to make sure that you're filtering at a rate of, if you've got an APF of 50 you can be 50 times whatever, depending on whatever you're going through a TLV or PEL or whatever you're measuring against.

Fred:

Alright so maybe I spaced out mid conversation but did you answer that question? You cannot, right?

Dave:

You have, on a full face respirator, you have to quantitatively fit test it.

Fred:

Okay, so that's, nobody's putting on.

Dave:

Yes, theoretically you could if you were only going to get an APF of 10.

Fred:

Okay.

Dave:

You theoretically could qualitatively fit test it, but you aren't going to get above an APF of 10. OSHA perfection.

Fred:

Requires 50, correct?

Dave:

No, it depends on what you're in. So if I am in something where I can have. If its 10…

Fred:

So you can wear a full face respirator in an application where a half face respirator would most likely suffice.

Dave:

Correct.

Fred:

Okay.

Dave:

You can get that APF of 10. So you can go 10 times. But once you are to 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 times whatever that limit is you’re going to have to be up to the quantitative.

Fred:

Got it. All right, when working with a tripod why is there a retractable on one leg and hoist on the other leg and what's the difference between the two.

Dave:

A lot going on there and it’s probably in confined space entry and rescue. People don't get it. They think when you have, cause a lot of times they'll call the actual device a three way. So people create an extra way that's not what its used for. So when you have the rescue SRL, its meant to be fall protection so when I'm going down the hole I have fall protection on. So if I fall just like a regular SRL it will lock up and stop me.

Fred:

Three way down the hole, I'm with you so far. Go ahead.

Dave:

Okay, so you got that part of it. Then you compliment it by the fact that if the man goes down. We hit the plunger assembly and we crank him back out. So that's taking somebody up. Well that's the problem, people think that if you crank it up, you ought to be able to lower them and that's where the...if you have that extra device hanging off there that's a man rated winch. So you use them at the same time, let’s say you've got a Bozen chair or something that the guy is sitting on and then you put that man rated winch into that, when you connect the fall protection to him so if he falls he still has fall protection. So if the winch fails, there's still fall protection there.

Fred:

Okay.

Dave:

So again, you cannot lower somebody with just a standard rescue SRL.

Fred:

Okay, fair enough. All right, so earlier we were talking about the carnival work, the 4th of July guy that's got all the LEDs on there so it kind of got me thinking about being seen and as you drive by who do you see on the road.

Dave:

Children, children should be seen not heard.

Fred:

Children. I'm talking about the Little Caesar’s guy that plays the cardboard guitar. In my town it’s always the guy that kind of looks like Santa Claus. So I don't know, maybe the same guy that's Santa Claus in the winter. When it starts warming up he goes out with his Little Caesar’s guitar. He's really strumming or playing the [inaudible 00:34:02]

Dave:

Oh I know of a couple places that you go by, and it’s just how they can... I mean they do that hours on end. Hour after hour after hour.

Fred:

So you got Uncle Sam at tax time.

Dave:

Or the Statue of Liberty.

Fred:

Statue of Liberty. Another one, holiday it right out on the corner there.

Dave:

I'm trying to think what else.

Fred:

H&R Block or somebody like that.

Dave:

Yeah but it’s always look at me. Or the guy that 125% off everything in the store. Must go today.

Fred:

Always furniture, it’s always furniture. It’s like were going out of business.

Dave:

And then all they do is open back up in like two weeks so it, was it going out of business on that truckload of furniture. Or what's going on here?

Fred:

I'm waiting for the Toys-R-Us stuff to get down bottom barrel. Unless somebody saves them here.

Dave:

That's whole different thing.

Fred:

Not happening.

Dave:

That wouldn't appear so. Well you know, every time I went into Toys-R-Us there was a bunch of people in there. So the only thing I can think of is everyone goes in there an messes around with the toys and then goes and buys it off Amazon. You know that had to be part of the reason they didn't make it.

Fred:

Let’s, I think that's a while other conversation. But they got, how about the blow up wacky wavy guy? You go outside like a cellphone place and it’s got the thing that's just blowing air and the arms are just moving around. Yeah used cars, they always got the big gorilla standing outside or something.

Dave:

Yeah the wacky wavy guy, he's in. Isn't he in a commercial now?

Fred:

Probably in a million commercials. There's a funny its always Sunny in Philadelphia episode it’s got the wacky wavy guy and Dee the girl, if you watch the show. That's how she dances so they show her dancing the exact same dance and acts like the wacky wavy guy. And then the classic bikini girls, I mean you trying to have a car wash you you're driving by and you're wondering, hopefully that's college girls that are out there standing there peek out as I drive by.

Dave:

I don't think you see that as much as you used to.

Fred:

No you don't.

Dave:

It used to be, back in the 80s maybe early 90s that was how you'd get them drawn in. You'd have like a senior class project. You, you, and you, you get out there. The rest of us ugly bastards are going to be back over here.

Fred:

We're going to be the ones sudsing.

Dave:

Washing cars, and yeah.

Fred:

Yeah, that's probably frowned upon these day. Now you got to go heartstrings on that. So it’s got to be Girl Scouts or it’s got to be orphans or something like that. Trying to draw people in.

Dave:

Something...

Fred:

Classic. Let us know kinda what you think.

Dave:

Otherwise, you're going to have whole bunch of people standing out there with signs picketing your car wash.

Fred:

Yeah. People across the street. This is demeaning.

Dave:

Yeah, why are you doing this? They have rights too. It’s like, they volunteered to do it, they didn't want to wash the cars.

Fred:

Yeah, I fell like this could get away from us. So we'll call this one an episode today. Let us know what you thought about today's show. Please review us on iTunes, reach out in an email. Again I'm fred@quadcitysafety.com. You can hit me up anytime. Any of our social media platforms we've even got a little surprise for us if you leave us some comments. So maybe some free products, maybe a little bit of swag. We've even got some candied bacon. We'll be able to shoot on out to you.

Dave:

It's good.

Fred:

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